On 24-04-18 15:47, John Crisp wrote:
> On 24/04/18 14:09, Hsing-Foo Wang wrote:
>> On 24-04-18 13:36, John Crisp wrote:
>>> Ah damn. You are still here then.
>> Excuse me?
>>> Please stop SHOUTING. It is unnecessary. And when you are wrong it makes
>>> you look silly.
>> Where is the shouting? Maybe I emphasize important topics, but SHOUTING?
> You know Caps are considered shouting. They are unnecessary. Emphasis
> can be done in other ways.
I chose to CAPS (IF any) within the correct context. Obviously you take
offence on CAPS?
>
>>> Please, reference your statements. Don't just say 'bugzilla'
>> As easy as looking for smolt in bugzilla
> CBA. More important things to do.
Like responding to this thread? Backing off fro this now are we?
>
>> Smolt is enabled and active by default. Can you prove that 'nowhere' is
>> 'nowhere' and that 'nowhere' is doing 'nothing'?
> The service runs but has nothing to connect to.
>
> You know full well that there is no smolt collation server and hasn't
> been for years. You equally know that this is just 'noise' with no
> relevance. Stop playing ridiculous games.
Not true, did you check, really?
>
>>> So you are conflating two different things.
>> Nope, both smolt and the 'secret' script is what I am talking about.
> You are not very clear then, but I haven't time to correct your grammar.
>
> As above, Smolt is not 'active' as it has nowhere to send anything. You
> know that.
>
> The status script sends anonymised data as I displayed.
Where did you display anything please?
>
>>>> GDPR is a serious matter.
>>>>
>>> It is. But it relates to personal information.
>> Nope, it is related to freedom of choice to hare any data that can be
>> related to a person.
> Still not sure you get the point of it.
>
> It is only relevant if you are going to collect personally identifiable
> information and process it. But that does not happen.
Are you really sure. Maybe it is because the UK will leave the EU soon.
But rules still apply. Please read and understand the gravity of GDPR.
>
>>> "Data that are fully anonymised (i.e., data from which no individuals
>>> can be identified) are outside the scope of both the Directive and the
>>> GDPR."
>> BS. An IP address from where data is submitted can be related to a
>> person. Hence I noticed you are so interested in GeoIP.
>>
> And you can retract your unsubstantiated claim which I find childish and
> immensely offensive in equal measure. And don't give me any of that 'oh
> I didn't mean it like that' nonsense.
No idea what you are talking about.
>
> GeoIP is used to block incoming mails, but you know that.
Nope, GeoIP is there for many purposes.
>
> My own interest in GeoIP is in blocking junk mail to my company, and the
> fact that the old v1 databases are EOL rendering GeoIP less useful in
> time. You most likely know that too.
Fine, you may do whatever you want to do.
>
> I have done zero coding on smolt or the status script. Until today I
> don't think that I had never even looked at them.
I know that, it was somebody else that slipped it in.
>
> There is zero connection between the two.
Wrong. Did you check?
>
> You are trying to add 2 and 2 and make them equal your preferred answer
> of 42, whilst libelling me. My 'whataboutery' meter is off the scale.
Sorry, I'll pass on this.
>
>
>> Many court cases in the EU and beyond have concluded that an IP address
>> is to be considered as personal data. Please get your facts together.
>>
> There have been no court cases on GDPR yet......
>
> However, as I said... it is irrelevant if an IP address is not
> collected. So this is a fallacious argument.
Wrong again, double time. There ARE court cases regarding GDPR for it
has been in effect since 2016. IP addresses are being collected.
>
>>> IP address is neither collected nor retained.
>> BS. the data is being submitted from E.T., the moon? or an IP?
> If it is neither tracked nor stored it is irrelevant where it comes from.
IP addresses are stored, how the heck do you thing a fancy map can be
produced of installed servers around the globe?
>
>>> That's you then ?
>> And various others. But as you seem to advice others and it is included
>> in your forum signature is the suggestion to search first
> Yours is to state and prove your case first. I can choose to defend at
> my leisure.
No idea what you are saying here
>
>>>> statusreport and smolt HAVE TO BE removed from the ISO. Any other
>>>> statistics can be gathered ONLY with consent.
>>>>
>>> I would argue that they do not. Again, patches are welcome.
>> A patch has NOTHING to do with awareness. If Awareness shows things have
>> to change, then the skilled ones are to blame for blaming th non skilled
>> ones.
> Patches are welcome in that if you feel this is the case and you are
> concerned about it you are more than welcome to do something about it
> rather than sitting there and pontificating and expecting everyone to do
> it for you. Before you start haranguing me, note that I don't have the
> knowledge to do it. But then I have nave no issue with any of it.
>
> You can always go somewhere else if you don't like the situation.
I DO care and am trying to something about 'it'. The old fashioned
answer of 'then code it' is not up to par. Didn;t I say that mentioning
or creating awareness, is doing something about it. Why do so many
people thing that you have to be a coder before you can have a voice??
>
>>>> In other words, SME Server is NOT COMPLIANT to GDPR.
>>>>
>>> Your case is not proven.
>> It is proven. See above.
> There is no personally identifiable information logged, processed or
> stored. Which is the end of your case.
Nope, IP is traceable, please check EU court verdicts on this.
Only the fact that you STATE that I am wrong shows that you are not
aware of current situations and verdicts. But then again, the UK is not
EU for very long, so I undestand the lack of interest and understanding.
>
>>> Of course you can always go and use another distribution if you feel
>>> that strongly.
>> Many did, only 75 active visitors a day for contribs.org. I can choose
>> whatever I may.
> Yes, probably they got fed up listening to you and your incessant
> arguing and complaining I should imagine. I really wish you would and go
> annoy someone else rather than those of us who are left here. It's been
> peaceful the few months since your last outbursts when you stomped off
> after throwing all your toys from your pram.
>
> You are a time sink. Nothing but shouting and arguing and moaning and
> whining and winding others up which does nothing but waste time trying
> to pacify you or shut you up.
>
> I have better things to do with my time quite frankly, but equally can't
> see you start throwing nonsense around unanswered and accusing me of
> things which are blatantly untrue.
>
> You have cost this project more good developers, and users, than I care
> to think about. You are the root cause of a lot of the decline of SME.
>
> My guess is you will only be happy when there is no one left and you are
> king by default.
>
> You'll be the Emperor. With new clothes.
That is well put how the contribs.org community is falling apart.
Blaming and shaming, selfish and no contributing.
You can blame me for whatever you want, and if you give me the credit of
reducing forums users dropping to less then 75, cherio! Was it that easy
with so many senior and skilled developers and cimmunity members present.
Please get a life. The decline of enthusiasm for SME Server is a given
fact for many years. Not due to me. It is a fact that the board does
nothing to recognize the issue at hand and does nothing to correct
anything. Not under your leadership, nor the current 'leadership' (if
there was any).
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