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[devinfo] possible election fraud
Hsing-Foo Wang
2017-11-16 21:38:31 UTC
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People,

as a heads up, for the 5th time since 2003, somebody is trying to gain
control over SME Server.

-HF

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Daniel Berteaud
2017-11-16 21:41:14 UTC
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Hsing-Foo Wang
2017-11-16 21:43:27 UTC
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very simple. Election are by individuals, not per persons and persons
should be able to present themselves for a role. Now it is presented as
'say yes to the team we present' I do not want to select that team, I
want to be able to vote for individuals.


On 16/11/2017 22:41, Daniel Berteaud wrote:
> What are you talking about ?
>
> Envoyé depuis mon mobile
>
>
> -------- Message original --------
> Objet : [devinfo] possible election fraud
> De : Hsing-Foo Wang
> À : ***@lists.contribs.org
> Cc :
>
>
> People,
>
> as a heads up, for the 5th time since 2003, somebody is trying to
> gain
> control over SME Server.
>
> -HF
>
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Hsing-Foo Wang
2017-11-16 21:45:03 UTC
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This has been proven to be step 1 in a hostile take-over during the last
15 years or so.


On 16/11/2017 22:43, Hsing-Foo Wang wrote:
>
> very simple. Election are by individuals, not per persons and persons
> should be able to present themselves for a role. Now it is presented
> as 'say yes to the team we present' I do not want to select that team,
> I want to be able to vote for individuals.
>
>
> On 16/11/2017 22:41, Daniel Berteaud wrote:
>> What are you talking about ?
>>
>> Envoyé depuis mon mobile
>>
>>
>> -------- Message original --------
>> Objet : [devinfo] possible election fraud
>> De : Hsing-Foo Wang
>> À : ***@lists.contribs.org
>> Cc :
>>
>>
>> People,
>>
>> as a heads up, for the 5th time since 2003, somebody is trying to
>> gain
>> control over SME Server.
>>
>> -HF
>>
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Daniel Berteaud
2017-11-16 21:46:19 UTC
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Le 16/11/2017 à 22:43, Hsing-Foo Wang a écrit :
>
> very simple. Election are by individuals, not per persons and persons
> should be able to present themselves for a role. Now it is presented
> as 'say yes to the team we present' I do not want to select that team,
> I want to be able to vote for individuals.
>

So just vote no and that's it

++
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Hsing-Foo Wang
2017-11-16 21:48:56 UTC
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I did vote NO for a pre assembled team where no democratic process has
taken place.

I want to become President. How do I do that pls>


On 16/11/2017 22:46, Daniel Berteaud wrote:
> Le 16/11/2017 à 22:43, Hsing-Foo Wang a écrit :
>>
>> very simple. Election are by individuals, not per persons and persons
>> should be able to present themselves for a role. Now it is presented
>> as 'say yes to the team we present' I do not want to select that
>> team, I want to be able to vote for individuals.
>>
>
> So just vote no and that's it
>
> ++
> --
>
> Logo FWS
>
> *Daniel Berteaud*
>
> FIREWALL-SERVICES SAS.
> Société de Services en Logiciels Libres
> Tel : 05 56 64 15 32 <tel:0556641532>
> Matrix: @dani:fws.fr
> /www.firewall-services.com/
>
Jean-Philippe PIALASSE
2017-11-16 22:03:13 UTC
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Le 2017-11-16 à 16:46, Daniel Berteaud a écrit :
> Le 16/11/2017 à 22:43, Hsing-Foo Wang a écrit :
>>
>> very simple. Election are by individuals, not per persons and persons
>> should be able to present themselves for a role. Now it is presented
>> as 'say yes to the team we present' I do not want to select that
>> team, I want to be able to vote for individuals.
>>
>
> So just vote no and that's it
>
> ++
> --
The procedure of election are according to our bylaws:
https://wiki.contribs.org/Koozali_Foundation_By_Laws

Elections are not for a role, they are to be part of the board. Board
you decided to step down from 3 times in 4 years.
Members of the board will elect officers, according to our ByLaws.

Both the nominee post
https://forums.contribs.org/index.php/topic,53400.0.html and the
presentation of the election post
https://forums.contribs.org/index.php/topic,53399.0.html are according
to this.

All is as regular as it has been done since the creation of Koozali.

Sincerely

Jean-Philippe


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Hsing-Foo Wang
2017-11-16 22:05:40 UTC
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The Directors shall be elected by popular vote of the user community on
an annual basis. The annual vote shall be conducted on the user forum
over a two week period and terminating on the 30th of November. Votes
will be cast on the user forums in a thread generated by the Board of
Directors, with an announcement of the vote made on the project
website(s). Valid votes must include the word “VOTE” in the subject line
and may be changed any time during the two week voting period. Any
registered user of the forum is eligible to cast one vote each. At the
end of the two week voting period, the thread will be locked and votes
counted. The Board will monitor votes to ensure that they proceed in
accordance with these Bylaws. In exceptional circumstances the Board may
invalidate the vote of an individual user (e.g., duplicate votes),
invalidate the entire vote, or take some other unspecified action.
Results of the annual vote will be posted to the user forum and website
within two weeks of the end of the voting period.


On 16/11/2017 23:03, Jean-Philippe PIALASSE wrote:
> Le 2017-11-16 à 16:46, Daniel Berteaud a écrit :
>> Le 16/11/2017 à 22:43, Hsing-Foo Wang a écrit :
>>> very simple. Election are by individuals, not per persons and persons
>>> should be able to present themselves for a role. Now it is presented
>>> as 'say yes to the team we present' I do not want to select that
>>> team, I want to be able to vote for individuals.
>>>
>> So just vote no and that's it
>>
>> ++
>> --
> The procedure of election are according to our bylaws:
> https://wiki.contribs.org/Koozali_Foundation_By_Laws
>
> Elections are not for a role, they are to be part of the board. Board
> you decided to step down from 3 times in 4 years.
> Members of the board will elect officers, according to our ByLaws.
>
> Both the nominee post
> https://forums.contribs.org/index.php/topic,53400.0.html and the
> presentation of the election post
> https://forums.contribs.org/index.php/topic,53399.0.html are according
> to this.
>
> All is as regular as it has been done since the creation of Koozali.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Jean-Philippe
>
>
Dan Brown
2017-11-16 22:13:19 UTC
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The procedure that JPP is following appears to comply with the portion
you quoted. With what part do you think it does not comply? And why
are you now saying you want to be president, just two weeks after you
resigned from the board?

On 11/16/17 5:05 PM, Hsing-Foo Wang wrote:
> The Directors shall be elected by popular vote of the user community on
> an annual basis. The annual vote shall be conducted on the user forum
> over a two week period and terminating on the 30th of November. Votes
> will be cast on the user forums in a thread generated by the Board of
> Directors, with an announcement of the vote made on the project
> website(s). Valid votes must include the word “VOTE” in the subject line
> and may be changed any time during the two week voting period. Any
> registered user of the forum is eligible to cast one vote each. At the
> end of the two week voting period, the thread will be locked and votes
> counted. The Board will monitor votes to ensure that they proceed in
> accordance with these Bylaws. In exceptional circumstances the Board may
> invalidate the vote of an individual user (e.g., duplicate votes),
> invalidate the entire vote, or take some other unspecified action.
> Results of the annual vote will be posted to the user forum and website
> within two weeks of the end of the voting period.
>
>
> On 16/11/2017 23:03, Jean-Philippe PIALASSE wrote:
>> Le 2017-11-16 à 16:46, Daniel Berteaud a écrit :
>>> Le 16/11/2017 à 22:43, Hsing-Foo Wang a écrit :
>>>> very simple. Election are by individuals, not per persons and persons
>>>> should be able to present themselves for a role. Now it is presented
>>>> as 'say yes to the team we present' I do not want to select that
>>>> team, I want to be able to vote for individuals.
>>>>
>>> So just vote no and that's it
>>>
>>> ++
>>> --
>> The procedure of election are according to our bylaws:
>> https://wiki.contribs.org/Koozali_Foundation_By_Laws
>>
>> Elections are not for a role, they are to be part of the board. Board
>> you decided to step down from 3 times in 4 years.
>> Members of the board will elect officers, according to our ByLaws.
>>
>> Both the nominee post
>> https://forums.contribs.org/index.php/topic,53400.0.html and the
>> presentation of the election post
>> https://forums.contribs.org/index.php/topic,53399.0.html are according
>> to this.
>>
>> All is as regular as it has been done since the creation of Koozali.
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>> Jean-Philippe
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Terry Fage
2017-11-16 22:50:04 UTC
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shakes head
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David Harper
2017-11-16 22:55:25 UTC
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Agreed



So I voted YES for the slate of nominees in the forum. I’m not overly familiar with the current governance team but given the developments this morning felt that the 2017 nominees deserved a strong endorsement. I honoured the instructions to refrain from commenting in that thread but feel it is appropriate to post my reasons here.



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Hsing-Foo Wang
2017-11-16 22:57:59 UTC
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How can I compete in this democratic process at all please?


On 16/11/2017 23:13, Dan Brown wrote:
> The procedure that JPP is following appears to comply with the portion
> you quoted. With what part do you think it does not comply? And why
> are you now saying you want to be president, just two weeks after you
> resigned from the board?
>
> On 11/16/17 5:05 PM, Hsing-Foo Wang wrote:
>> The Directors shall be elected by popular vote of the user community on
>> an annual basis. The annual vote shall be conducted on the user forum
>> over a two week period and terminating on the 30th of November. Votes
>> will be cast on the user forums in a thread generated by the Board of
>> Directors, with an announcement of the vote made on the project
>> website(s). Valid votes must include the word “VOTE” in the subject line
>> and may be changed any time during the two week voting period. Any
>> registered user of the forum is eligible to cast one vote each. At the
>> end of the two week voting period, the thread will be locked and votes
>> counted. The Board will monitor votes to ensure that they proceed in
>> accordance with these Bylaws. In exceptional circumstances the Board may
>> invalidate the vote of an individual user (e.g., duplicate votes),
>> invalidate the entire vote, or take some other unspecified action.
>> Results of the annual vote will be posted to the user forum and website
>> within two weeks of the end of the voting period.
>>
>>
>> On 16/11/2017 23:03, Jean-Philippe PIALASSE wrote:
>>> Le 2017-11-16 à 16:46, Daniel Berteaud a écrit :
>>>> Le 16/11/2017 à 22:43, Hsing-Foo Wang a écrit :
>>>>> very simple. Election are by individuals, not per persons and persons
>>>>> should be able to present themselves for a role. Now it is presented
>>>>> as 'say yes to the team we present' I do not want to select that
>>>>> team, I want to be able to vote for individuals.
>>>>>
>>>> So just vote no and that's it
>>>>
>>>> ++
>>>> --
>>> The procedure of election are according to our bylaws:
>>> https://wiki.contribs.org/Koozali_Foundation_By_Laws
>>>
>>> Elections are not for a role, they are to be part of the board. Board
>>> you decided to step down from 3 times in 4 years.
>>> Members of the board will elect officers, according to our ByLaws.
>>>
>>> Both the nominee post
>>> https://forums.contribs.org/index.php/topic,53400.0.html and the
>>> presentation of the election post
>>> https://forums.contribs.org/index.php/topic,53399.0.html are according
>>> to this.
>>>
>>> All is as regular as it has been done since the creation of Koozali.
>>>
>>> Sincerely
>>>
>>> Jean-Philippe
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Jim McLaren
2017-11-16 23:00:45 UTC
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On 16/11/17 22:57, Hsing-Foo Wang wrote:
> How can I compete in this democratic process at all please?

From the Elections 2017 post in the forums:

"If you wish to stand for election yourself then please start a new post
with a title of "Nominee - Your Name" and write a little about who you
are and why you should be elected."

--
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John Crisp
2017-11-17 00:23:02 UTC
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On 16/11/17 23:57, Hsing-Foo Wang wrote:
> How can I compete in this democratic process at all please?
>
>

RTFM

Stop asking question you know already the answers to. Assuming as a
Board member you actually bothered to read your governing documents.
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Terry Fage
2017-11-17 01:39:41 UTC
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On 17/11/2017 11:23 AM, John Crisp wrote:
> RTFM
> Stop asking question you know already the answers to. Assuming as a
> Board member you actually bothered to read your governing documents.
>

Supportive applause for previous post and this as well..

Now what was I doing, ah yes, SVN :-)
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John Crisp
2017-11-17 00:20:55 UTC
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On 16/11/17 22:43, Hsing-Foo Wang wrote:
> very simple. Election are by individuals, not per persons and persons
> should be able to present themselves for a role. Now it is presented as
> 'say yes to the team we present' I do not want to select that team, I
> want to be able to vote for individuals.
>

Apart from this being on the wrong list, and you should know better (and
you have only done it to stir things up and make trouble because you
think the dev list will get you wider readership)....

The current procedure was put in place by me several years ago to make
things more manageable during elections. It was plain quicker and easier
when we had precious little time.

And you know that.

This was all clearly stated as such at the time, and what you could do
about it if you didn't agree. There was nothing fraudulent about it.

And you know that.

I won't bother posting the links as you are capable of finding them
yourself.

Yup... you can go right ahead and have individual elections as per the
'constitution' if you really insist.

And you know that.

But then to be President you have to be nominated by your fellow board
members.

And you know that.

If you had actually bothered to read your own governing documents whilst
a board member you would have known that. Your inaction and lack of
knowledge speaks for itself.

And you know that.

Quite frankly your current actions are nothing but yet another attempt
to stir up trouble and division, something which you have consistently
done for years, and which has brought SME to the sorry state it is in
now because people have voted with their feet and left rather than sit
and listen to you prattle on about crap like this. They want a
harmonious atmosphere. Not this bollocks.

You have personally cost/lost SME a number of very good developers (I
know because they have personally told me) and lord knows how many users
for exactly this type of petulant childish behaviour. You were a large
part of the reason I resigned.

Almost single handedly you have nearly destroyed SME, and continue to
try to do so.

A shame because on a good day you have great ideas and a lot to
contribute, but you ruin all that with acts of gross stupidity like this.

Anyway, go right ahead and do what ever you want within the rules,
however ill advised and malicious it might be.

Just don't be surprised when you look around and find you have become
President because everyone else has left because they don't want to work
with you, and you are the only one there to turn out the lights.

Just like the Emperor, you will be able to parade in your new clothes.
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Greg Zartman
2017-11-16 21:54:36 UTC
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On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Hsing-Foo Wang <***@gmail.com> wrote:

> This has been proven to be step 1 in a hostile take-over during the last
> 15 years or so.
>

Have you lost your mind HSF? This is a crazy accusation for even you.

Do you not realize that virtually everyone who was a part of this community
has left because of this kind of stuff?
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